Thetis 2_8_11 changes/ideas/wants/wishes

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Postby va3cxp » Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:07 am

A wish, would be the same noise gate as mRX PS. Not able to reproduce the same effect with Thetis.
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Postby N9VX » Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:23 am

I like CTUN just like it is and use it daily.

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Postby N9VX » Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:25 am

I agree.

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va3cxp wrote:A wish, would be the same noise gate as mRX PS. Not able to reproduce the same effect with Thetis.
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Postby GW0NTM » Thu Oct 07, 2021 9:56 am

w-u-2-o wrote:CTUN works great as is. I wouldn't change a thing.

I rarely turn CTUN off.


I'm the same, CTUN mode is much more useful. I think my biggest issue with it is when I need to make movements around the band that are not in view. The only means I can see to do this is to click near the edge of the view and then use my mouse scroll, or to use the fiddly pan control. We could use the mouse right button to drag the view. This would negate the need for a separate pan control altogether.

The second challenge I have is the zoom control. It could be incorporated in the frequency display lines on the panafall, using a right-button mouse drag. This would negate the need for the zoom control.

Also, when using the zoom control in CTUN mode, it always changes the central point of the view. This means I then have to deal with the issue I describe in the first paragraph above.

Just to be clear, I'm not suggesting the removal of the ability to click and tune, it's just the need to have two modes. In Expert Electronics SDR2, you can perform every panadapter/ waterfall operation (zoom, pan, click, drag) from the CTUN/ non-CTUN modes all within a single view.

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Postby w-u-2-o » Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:15 pm

GW0NTM wrote:I'm the same, CTUN mode is much more useful. I think my biggest issue with it is when I need to make movements around the band that are not in view. The only means I can see to do this is to click near the edge of the view and then use my mouse scroll, or to use the fiddly pan control. We could use the mouse right button to drag the view. This would negate the need for a separate pan control altogether.

This function already exists. Left click and drag at the top of the panadapter where the frequency labels are.

The second challenge I have is the zoom control. It could be incorporated in the frequency display lines on the panafall, using a right-button mouse drag. This would negate the need for the zoom control.

Negating the control is a bad idea from a UI design perspective. Mouse gestures and keyboard commands are OK, as long as there are other controls or menu items to back them up. To only program gestures means that then someone has to learn the gesture from somewhere. Then you run into the problem you first mentioned whereby the function is there but you didn't know about it, but at least you had the pan control as a backup until you learned it. If there were little arrows at the ends of the frequency label script you would intuitively know you could move it in that way as well, and there could be a tool tip that advised you of the ability to left-click drag.

Also, when using the zoom control in CTUN mode, it always changes the central point of the view. This means I then have to deal with the issue I describe in the first paragraph above.

The behavior of the CTUN display in this manner is much improved over what it used to be. Right now you have two zoom modes in CTUN: zoom relative to center of the panadapter, or jump-center the receive passband and zoom in to there. This is controlled using the Setup > Options > Options-1 > Shift zoom modifier setting. I'm too lazy to describe how this works, just turn it on and in CTUN mode try zooming with and without the shift key ;)

But I agree, esthetically it would be nice to have a third zoom mode that is referenced to the VFO freq. and it's lateral position in the panadapter window, if I'm understanding you correctly?
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Postby GW0NTM » Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:01 pm

w-u-2-o wrote:
GW0NTM wrote:I'm the same, CTUN mode is much more useful. I think my biggest issue with it is when I need to make movements around the band that are not in view. The only means I can see to do this is to click near the edge of the view and then use my mouse scroll, or to use the fiddly pan control. We could use the mouse right button to drag the view. This would negate the need for a separate pan control altogether.

This function already exists. Left click and drag at the top of the panadapter where the frequency labels are.

OMG - brilliant! I've tried all sorts, but didn't think to left click on the top frequency labels! Thank you.

The second challenge I have is the zoom control. It could be incorporated in the frequency display lines on the panafall, using a right-button mouse drag. This would negate the need for the zoom control.

Negating the control is a bad idea from a UI design perspective. Mouse gestures and keyboard commands are OK, as long as there are other controls or menu items to back them up. To only program gestures means that then someone has to learn the gesture from somewhere. Then you run into the problem you first mentioned whereby the function is there but you didn't know about it, but at least you had the pan control as a backup until you learned it. If there were little arrows at the ends of the frequency label script you would intuitively know you could move it in that way as well, and there could be a tool tip that advised you of the ability to left-click drag.

You are absolutely correct, design affordances have to indicate what gestures and interactions are available. I notice on the middle frequency labels, when I mouse over them my pointer changes to a up/ down arrow, indicating that I can change the relative panadapter/ waterfall sizes. Perhaps we could have a similar affordance added to the top frequency labels? When I mouse over this, if the pointer were to change to a left/right arrow, I think I would have found the panning feature sooner.

Also, when using the zoom control in CTUN mode, it always changes the central point of the view. This means I then have to deal with the issue I describe in the first paragraph above.

The behavior of the CTUN display in this manner is much improved over what it used to be. Right now you have two zoom modes in CTUN: zoom relative to center of the panadapter, or jump-center the receive passband and zoom in to there. This is controlled using the Setup > Options > Options-1 > Shift zoom modifier setting. I'm too lazy to describe how this works, just turn it on and in CTUN mode try zooming with and without the shift key ;)

But I agree, esthetically it would be nice to have a third zoom mode that is referenced to the VFO freq. and it's lateral position in the panadapter window, if I'm understanding you correctly?


Yes, that is what I'm (inarticulately) trying to describe.
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Postby WU1T » Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:13 pm

Very minor issue here but coming from a brand new user perspective, I think keyboard shortcuts should be enabled in a fresh install of Thetis so spacebar PTT works straight out of the box.
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Postby DL8LAQ » Fri Oct 08, 2021 10:51 am

WU1T wrote:Very minor issue here but coming from a brand new user perspective, I think keyboard shortcuts should be enabled in a fresh install of Thetis so spacebar PTT works straight out of the box.

I don't agree! Spacebar PTT requires a second touch to change back to receive. If you press spacebar unintentional the PTT will apply bias to the pa and that will heat up the ANAN. Believe me, you don't want to smell a very hot ANAN!
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Postby NC3Z » Fri Oct 08, 2021 11:12 am

WU1T wrote: works straight out of the box.


Thetis does NOT work straight out of the box, so not having space bar PTT work right away is not an issue. And I for one do not use the PTT space bar so I do not want it enabled.
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Postby NN4X » Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:32 pm

RE: 2) split up the receivers, starting with display engine, and then moving to the internals of the console (lots of work, probably weeks and weeks if not months)

I'll take a guess that #2 would support my suggestion: When Split, to allow the TX "VFO" receiver to have a different bandwidth than the RX "VFO". It's very common when working a weak DX station in a pile up that you would have the RX filter very narrow, to best receive the DX station. For the TX "VFO", however, you're trying to hear who's answering the DX, and you want to use a wider filter so you are hearing more stations.
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Postby K9RX » Sat Oct 09, 2021 12:19 pm

Suggestion on how to implement SPLIT mode filter selection. When SPLIT is selected if one right click's on a filter button (other than the one already selected which is for the RX frequency or typically VFOA), have an added selection "Set as VFOB width". If clicked on set that filter width as a different color.

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Postby K9RX » Sat Oct 09, 2021 12:32 pm

Correction/addition to what I just posted re SPLIT mode.

First: the above suggestion would be if one has MULTIRX turned on.

Second: is there any reason why SPLIT and MULTRX shouldn't just both be linked together? If one hits SPLIT, turn on MULTRX automatically?

Last: If MULTIRX is turned off of course remove the 'added' (VFOB) filter color/width.

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Postby NN4X » Sat Oct 09, 2021 8:17 pm

Concur with the idea to automatically enable MULTRX when hitting split. ALSO, although I have very limited experience with the radio, I'd suggest when going split, to automatically offset the 2nd VFO some distance from VFO A - maybe 1 KHz or something - just to make it easier to grab the TX frequency and start moving it.
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Postby NC3Z » Sat Oct 09, 2021 8:55 pm

I think Scott made a wish list item to have Macros on the GUI so you can do what ever you want. I use a StreamDeck and I have a Split button that does all that via CAT commands, set Split, turn on MultiRX, set 2nd freq up 5KHz, etc. Works pretty slick.
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Postby w-u-2-o » Sun Oct 10, 2021 12:39 pm

NC3Z wrote:I think Scott made a wish list item to have Macros on the GUI so you can do what ever you want. I use a StreamDeck and I have a Split button that does all that via CAT commands, set Split, turn on MultiRX, set 2nd freq up 5KHz, etc. Works pretty slick.

Yep, my wish list item is up above in the topic, somewhere.

It just seems silly to continue to add buttons and options based on fundamental features that already exist. It just tangles up the code and is a never-ending proposition. With a macro feature the user gets to decide how the radio functions.

There are a lot of external solutions for this right now. The aforementioned Streamdeck. DDUtil. VB Macros. And probably a half dozen other off the shelf solutions I'm not thinking of. Some are harder to use than others.

The attraction of an internal solution is that it motivates folks to standardize, which leads to shared development of macros, and a higher rate of adoption of the functionality.
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Postby ea3aqr » Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:06 pm

Could be possible to have an option to disconnect AUTO AGC gain adjust when moving the slider up or down?
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Postby NN4X » Mon Oct 11, 2021 9:25 pm

I've been experiencing momentary drop-outs of audio with my 7000DLE and Thetis 2.8.11 x64 (21k6).

It's quite annoying, since I have almost exactly zero idea what is going on.

Yesterday, I happened to be looking at the console when it occurred, and saw, for the briefest of moments, a message in RED flash under the pan scope. I didn't catch it. Since this event was somewhat random, I didn't stay fixated on the console, but after missing several more occurrences of the drop-out and RED message, caught part of one - I think it said something about the ADC.

So, with the above as context, here are my suggestions:

1) Allow the displayed message to linger longer, so the operator actually has a chance to read it. Perhaps affixing a date/time stamp to it would be helpful, so you know it occurred 30 seconds previously.

2) Implement Event Logging.
1) There are couple of approaches:
a) Have these error/information messages written out to to full-fledged event log for later analysis.
b) Keep the last [x] most recent events for retrieval by the operator. I don't know what good number might be for "x" - maybe the last 5 or 10 events? Allow the events to be viewed from the console. Perhaps have an indicator on the console showing that there has been something logged since the last time it was viewed? I'm on the fence about the
"indicator" idea - In general, I prefer clean a clean UI, and not something littered with text, messages and gadgets/controls all over it An advantge of option "b" is that it would prevent a huge log file from being created.


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Postby K1LSB » Mon Oct 11, 2021 9:44 pm

Steve,

The flashed message probably was an "ADC Overload" message. That message only gets displayed while the overload condition exists, which may have only been momentary.

The most pressing concern is to reduce the strength of the signal that's causing the overload!

If I were you I'd start by dialing in some attenuation to reduce the level of signal being sent to your ADC.

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Postby NN4X » Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:39 pm

Hi Mark -

Thanks for the reply.

It may have indeed - and probably was - an "ADC Overload" message. OR...it may not have been. That was kind of the point of my suggestion - if the operator never gets to see the message, they can't fix it.

I did dial in 10 dB of attenuation last night (I was listening on 160m and 80m), and did not see a recurrence of the "drop out" but then again, it wasn't predictable previously.

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Postby NN4X » Tue Oct 12, 2021 11:58 pm

OK...so I actually took a video of my display to capture an error: "Seq => 256 (CC DDC2 Mic)"
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Postby NN4X » Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:24 am

Here's a very short video of it, posted to the YouTube machine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uguJazE0kTQ
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Postby ramdor » Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:42 am

Steve,

a) there is an errorlog.txt file created in C:\Users\<user>\AppData\Roaming\OpenHPSDR\Thetis-x64
b) there is a specific SEQ error log feature under Setup->Tests->Show SEQ log
c) you can even use WireShark/DumpCap to snapshot network activity when SEQ errors occur
d) the seq error log will enable us to determine if it is packet loss, out of order packets, or some other issue
e) probably worth making a specific thread about your issues/errors instead of posts inside the changes/ideas/wants/wishes thread

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Postby NN4X » Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:34 am

Hi Richie -

The last entry in errorlog.txt is from September 12,2021, and not related to this.

I'll keep an eye on Shoe SEQ log.

Oh that didn't take long:
DCC2
s0=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 312 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 r:110523 l:110210 10/13 07:31:56:512
s1=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 116 0 0 0 0 r:109313 l:109196 10/13 07:31:55:013
s2=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 63 r:43161 l:43097 10/13 07:30:33:013
s3=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 378 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 r:42758 l:42379 10/13 07:30:32:513

DCC2
s0=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 116 0 0 0 0 r:109313 l:109196 10/13 07:31:55:013
s1=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 63 r:43161 l:43097 10/13 07:30:33:013
s2=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 378 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 r:42758 l:42379 10/13 07:30:32:513

DCC2
s0=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 63 r:43161 l:43097 10/13 07:30:33:013
s1=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 378 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 r:42758 l:42379 10/13 07:30:32:513

DCC2
s0=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 378 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 r:42758 l:42379 10/13 07:30:32:513



Will create a new thread for this. Thanks!

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Postby KA5KKT » Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:03 pm

Here's a not terribly important wish for Thetis.

Today MS issued an update and with the usual 'Restart Now or Later.' Many programs will restart with the reboot of the newly updated Windows and reopen many programs that had been open upon the shutdown / restart cycle. Firefox is one. It will remember open tabs, but not necessarily relongin to them. MS Outlook seems to not miss a beat.

It would be convenient if Thetis restarted upon reboot. As I suggested, not a biggie.


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Postby WA3O » Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:21 am

Hello Group.

I have a small want/ wish. I would love to see a way to lock the slider for the "Drive" level. I drive a LDMOS amp with about 1 -2 watts and it would be a disaster if I clicked or dragged on the screen accidentally.

Thank you.

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Postby w-u-2-o » Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:34 pm

WA3O wrote:Hello Group.

I have a small want/ wish. I would love to see a way to lock the slider for the "Drive" level. I drive a LDMOS amp with about 1 -2 watts and it would be a disaster if I clicked or dragged on the screen accidentally.

Thank you.

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Have you tried going into Setup > PA Settings and, with the RF Drive control set to maximum, calibrating the output for a maximum of 2W?
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Postby NC3Z » Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:38 pm

w-u-2-o wrote:Have you tried going into Setup > PA Settings and, with the RF Drive control set to maximum, calibrating the output for a maximum of 2W?


Exactly what I have been doing for a while, my slider is calibrated to get the optimal drive to my amp when @ 100. No chance of a mistake! If you search back through the topics you will see a few postings about this.
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Postby WA3O » Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:39 pm

Scott,

I have thought of that however, I do want the option to run 100 watts without the external amp.

Thank you

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Postby ramdor » Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:55 pm

PA gain profiles anyone? ;)

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Postby NC3Z » Sun Oct 17, 2021 4:01 pm

ramdor wrote:PA gain profiles anyone? ;)
R.


Dang you Ritchie, we dont want a radio that we have too much control over! :lol:
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