Thetis v2.8.11 - UPDATES and current issues

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Re: Thetis v2.8.11 - current issues

Postby PD3LK » Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:31 am

Hi guys, regarding ".....instead its tuning the vfo."

I don't see this behaviour but after scrolling thru, for example, all 40m bandstacks the filter resizing doesn't work anymore.
Have to restart Thetis to get it work again. I'm using version 21h2

I'm not convinced that the bandstack is the problem, sometimes it stops working directly after some tuning and activating CTUNE.
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Re: Thetis v2.8.11 - current issues

Postby DK1WP » Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:08 pm

I can confirm Leon's statement, the same behaviour with me.
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Re: Thetis v2.8.11 - current issues

Postby ramdor » Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:14 pm

I have been unable to replicate anything like this unfortunately. I have spent a while today looking for possible issues, even desktop display scale etc etc.

See here: https://youtu.be/rsdwy2DuzXw

We somehow need to be able to replicate this, and get it to happen on demand. Could someone who is able to highlight the edge, but unable to drag it out please send me the database.xml (email on qrz).

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Re: Thetis v2.8.11 - current issues

Postby ramdor » Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:38 pm

Ernst has sent me his DB and it is happening here. Now to find out what has happened.

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Re: Thetis v2.8.11 - current issues

Postby ramdor » Sun Sep 12, 2021 6:14 pm

Hey all,

Some fixes were made to the filter size drag code which were very edge case.

If you want to test these changes, a pre release 21i version for x64 is here.... https://bit.ly/3k0emAF

It also has the fix for xvtr ctun shift issue reported a few posts ago reported by Norbert.

Thanks to Ernst who sent over his DB. He has tried the changes and reports it is working for him. I will hold off updating the #1 post with a new release until Friday to give it time to settle.

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Re: Thetis v2.8.11 - current issues

Postby W1JA » Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:07 pm

Thanks Richie. I tested 21i(pre) and now I can drag the bandwidth edges just fine with CTUN on or off.

But I actually had two problems with this functionality. The second problem remains. Let me try to explain.

With CTUN off, there are (and were, all the way back the PowerSDR mRX if I recall correctly) two things that can be done to act on the filter bandwidth. The first way is dragging the bw edges when positioning the cursor right on a bw edge, at which time the cursor changes to two arrows, like <>. As mentioned above, this now works correctly with CTUN on or off.

The second way is to hover inside the filter bw, and the cursor changes to something like <o> (which also looks to me like a tie-fighter from the Star Wars movies ;) ). If I left click, hold, and drag inside the bw when the cursor looks like this, I can drag the filter bw around without changing its width. Like a Shift knob on an older knobbed radio, I think. The VFO freq doesn't change.

This second way still doesn't work with CTUN on. With CTUN on, left clicking inside the filter bw with the <o> cursor QSYs the VFO.
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Re: Thetis v2.8.11 - current issues

Postby ramdor » Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:17 pm

Yep, that is exactly how it is coded, and how it behaved before (at least I think so). If you CTUN ON and hover in the filter BW and click drag if will QSY. If you have CTUN OFF and hover in the filter BW and click drag it will filter shift. The only difference now is, that the filter edges highlight, and can be adjusted when CTUN is ON.

I will be doing something about the shift in CTUN off mode, adding an option probably to turn it off, because for me it causes more issues than not if I grab the area and drag it thinking that CTUN is ON when it was actually OFF.

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Re: Thetis v2.8.11 - current issues

Postby W1JA » Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:01 pm

If you want to do that, I won't protest. We have a Shift slider on the console UI. Having the same behavior with CTUN off and on is the most important. Then, I just hope that you will also get rid of the <o> cursor when inside of the filter bw,

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Re: Thetis v2.8.11 - current issues

Postby ramdor » Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:53 pm

21i UPDATED

New version for the weekend in post #1. Not many changes or fixes this time as spare time has been short this week.

NOTE: 21i will see the last 32bit frequent release. A 32bit version will be made infrequently going forward (perhaps every 5 or so).

R.

21i
fix: rx2 using xvtr and CTUN caused a shift problem. CentreFrequency was not being adjusted by XVTR LO in some cases
fix: setupform will show if previously minimised and you select setup from menu bar
fix: issues with filter width drag on RX1 when RX2 was shifted from the same centre frequency as RX1
add: re-sampler var ratio graphs on audio tab
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Re: Thetis v2.8.11 - current issues

Postby W1AEX » Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:03 pm

Hi Richie,

The 21i version is working very well here. The VAC resampler graph settles down after an initial up-down oscillation at first startup and sits right at 0.000180 "OUT" and 0.000183 "IN" from that point on. I guess that's an indication that the resampler is stable with my current settings. No audio dropouts noted on TX or RX which is really what I am interested in.

Thanks for all your work and 73,

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Re: Thetis v2.8.11 - current issues

Postby Joe » Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:47 pm

Richie,
I know I asked quite some time back but wanted to try again, I really like your versions and additions and want to use them. I use the OC for amp control (bcd) output for band select and also the option that will not let the amp key while in tune mode. I have coded my version. Is there any way I can get your 21i source code? Then I can overlay my OC additions for my use. I really would appreciate this if possible.

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Re: Thetis v2.8.11 - current issues

Postby ramdor » Fri Sep 17, 2021 6:59 pm

Joe wrote:Richie,
I know I asked quite some time back but wanted to try again, I really like your versions and additions and want to use them. I use the OC for amp control (bcd) output for band select and also the option that will not let the amp key while in tune mode. I have coded my version. Is there any way I can get your 21i source code? Then I can overlay my OC additions for my use. I really would appreciate this if possible.

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Hi Joe, Code will be released when Doug migrates it all into the official, or the changes he has in the pipe migrate into this fork, not sure yet what his plans are.

I am planning to work on the OC section at some point and have some ideas to make the output pin side somewhat more flexible. In the short term you can always drop your changes to me, and I can either work them in, or use it to refine what I had already planned (email on qrz if needed).

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Re: Thetis v2.8.11 - current issues

Postby PD3LK » Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:24 pm

Hello Richie, just installed version i

regarding Fix: issues with filter width drag on RX1

The issue from a few days ago is still there and easy to produce.
Switch for example a few times between all (default) 40m band stacks and then click/tune in a part of the band.
After this i can't use filter drag anymore (have to restart Thetis). (CTUN off)

regards, Leon

Added: just discovered that when i right-click somewhere in the FFT then the Filter Drag is enabled again. Or is it meant this way??
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Re: Thetis v2.8.11 - current issues

Postby ramdor » Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:31 pm

PD3LK wrote:Hello Richie, just installed version i

regarding Fix: issues with filter width drag on RX1

The issue from a few days ago is still there and easy to produce.
Switch for example a few times between all (default) 40m band stacks and then click/tune in a part of the band.
After this i can't use filter drag anymore (have to restart Thetis).

regards, Leon


please send me your DB, does not happen for me.

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Re: Thetis v2.8.11 - current issues

Postby w9mdb » Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:34 pm

Helmut -- do you have an antenna tuner hooked up by chance?

If so I might have a solution.

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Re: Thetis v2.8.11 - current issues

Postby PD3LK » Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:35 pm

Richie, i Just discovered that when i right-click somewhere in the FFT then the Filter Drag is enabled again. Or is it meant this way??

Database attached

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Re: Thetis v2.8.11 - current issues

Postby ramdor » Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:23 pm

PD3LK wrote:Richie, i Just discovered that when i right-click somewhere in the FFT then the Filter Drag is enabled again. Or is it meant this way??

Database attached

r/Leon


Thanks for the DB Leon. I have just made a vid with your DB, and I could not replicate it. However, that said, I notice you are using 'show bandstack on panadapter'. In this mode, if you highlight a filter edge AND the bandstack entry is also highlighted at the same time, then the edge can not be moved. I will change this, probably in the next version to always drag if you have it highlighted. Perhaps that is causing you some issue?

Your DB starts around 2m45s in

VID: https://youtu.be/eukDKD9KWi0

EDIT: turn off the bandstack 'show on panadapter' and see if this will now let you drag the edge as expected, if so, then it is the issue outlined in the vid and above.

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Re: Thetis v2.8.11 - current issues

Postby PD3LK » Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:10 pm

Hi,
This issue isn't related to the band stack or the "show on panadapter".
It's something different, i made it more simple with a screenshot and some text in it.
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Re: Thetis v2.8.11 - current issues

Postby ramdor » Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:33 pm

Right click puts it into a mode where you left click to qsy. When it is in that mode the filters can not be dragged until you right click again to take it out of the right click to qsy mode (abort). This is how it works, and has always worked.

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Re: Thetis v2.8.11 - current issues

Postby PD3LK » Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:00 pm

ahhh ok, sorry that i've put you at work with this. I guess i noticed it only after the filter drag addition. :oops:
btw forgot.... thanks for the latest Thetis update!
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Re: Thetis v2.8.11 - current issues

Postby Joe » Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:21 am

Richie,
Thanks, as soon as possible I will send you the code I have in place for the OC (bcd-tune) and tune disable. If ok I will send the whole Thetis file source, will be easier on my part instead of snippets.

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Re: Thetis v2.8.11 - current issues

Postby ramdor » Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:07 am

Joe wrote:Richie,
Thanks, as soon as possible I will send you the code I have in place for the OC (bcd-tune) and tune disable. If ok I will send the whole Thetis file source, will be easier on my part instead of snippets.

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yep, no probs Joe, I can run diff over it to find out the changes from the 2020 version. Cheers, Richie.
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Re: Thetis v2.8.11 - current issues

Postby N1ZLE » Sun Sep 19, 2021 12:24 am

Thanks Ritchie. 21i working great here 8kdle.
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Re: Thetis v2.8.11 - current issues

Postby w9mdb » Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:27 am

I see the little white lines too on N1ZLE's VAC1 Monitor plots.
What does the white line mean?
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Re: Thetis v2.8.11 - current issues

Postby ramdor » Sun Sep 19, 2021 6:25 am

w9mdb wrote:I see the little white lines too on N1ZLE's VAC1 Monitor plots.
What does the white line mean?


ring buffer occupancy %, at the bottom 0%, 100% at the top. Ideally RB should be 50% occupied, so the yellow line should be in the middle
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Re: Thetis v2.8.11 - current issues

Postby K1LSB » Sun Sep 19, 2021 1:11 pm

ramdor wrote:
w9mdb wrote:I see the little white lines too on N1ZLE's VAC1 Monitor plots.
What does the white line mean?

ring buffer occupancy %, at the bottom 0%, 100% at the top. Ideally RB should be 50% occupied, so the yellow line should be in the middle

What variables influence RingBuffer occupancy, and how can we best target a 50% occupancy?

TIA,
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Re: Thetis v2.8.11 - current issues

Postby w-u-2-o » Sun Sep 19, 2021 1:31 pm

The resampler handles the buffer occupancy. There is little you can do to influence it. You can achieve small changes by changing the feedback gain value on the Advanced tab, but even dramatic changes don't make huge differences.
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Re: Thetis v2.8.11 - current issues

Postby Joe » Sun Sep 19, 2021 6:54 pm

Hello Richie,
Sorry for the delay, I am having problems with my email. I finally was able to send you my Thetis source file with the code changes I have, I hope they will be of some use. I sent the file to your email address noted on QRZ. I was still trying to figure out how to change the "split" function on the "OC" setup page so that was not completed yet.

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Re: Thetis v2.8.11 - current issues

Postby ramdor » Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:48 pm

Hey Joe,

Some progress over the last couple of hours with the rx/tx pins. Hopefully this adds in the necessary flexibility.

Quick demo : https://youtu.be/OfRapYmT6ic

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Re: Thetis 2_8_11 changes/ideas/wants/wishes

Postby Mike_N1JEZ » Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:01 pm

Can the Xverter section be looked at? I just tried entering settings for a 2M transverter with a 28 MHz IF, but when I select VHF and 144 MHz, it sets my Hermes board to 0.00MHz.

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