Which one? Anyone compare them?

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Which one? Anyone compare them?

Postby kc2rgw » Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:41 pm

Been reading through the posts and it’s a bit confusing.

The cmd pl-1 looks good but seems to be discontinued and I’m also looking at the two platter Hercules Inpulse 200 or 300 or Behringer CMD Micro or Hercules Starlight.

It seems the Behringer models do the variable step size based on speed of the platter moving which is appealing to me, do the Hercules models do this too?

Hard to figure out which of the many choices to pick. Anyone have a comparison write up?

What say you all?
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Postby w-u-2-o » Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:47 pm

It's really a very personal choice. The Hercules don't have multi-speed jog wheels AFAIK (neither of the ones I had/have do). What I did was sit down with a printed image of the controllers I was thinking about and penciled in the controls I wanted to support, playing with the layout until I thought I had something that would work for me. Ultimately I realized I did not need/want very many MIDI-fied controls and went with the relatively small and simple Hercules DJ Control Compact. It did everything I wanted and is small enough to push underneath my monitors when I'm not using it (most of the time I just use the mouse).

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Re: Which one? Anyone compare them?

Postby kc2rgw » Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:47 pm

Thanks. So mapping the functions is a wash between the models really, they’ll just work.

Not sure I “need” one but today they are shiny.
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Postby Tony EI7BMB » Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:20 pm

Here's mine with more knobs and sliders

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Postby PaulManc » Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:07 pm

It's really a very personal choice. The Hercules don't have multi-speed jog wheels AFAIK (neither of the ones I had/have do). What I did was sit down with a printed image of the controllers I was thinking about and penciled in the controls I wanted to support, playing with the layout until I thought I had something that would work for me. Ultimately I realized I did not need/want very many MIDI-fied controls and went with the relatively small and simple Hercules DJ Control Compact. It did everything I wanted and is small enough to push underneath my monitors when I'm not using it (most of the time I just use the mouse).


HI Scott, good afternoon - Does this controller work with Thetis 2.6.9?
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Postby w-u-2-o » Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:38 pm

The controllers work with both PowerSDR and Thetis, and support for them goes back many versions so 2.6.9 is perfectly fine.
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Postby FM5GB » Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:29 pm

Hi Scott,

Has Hercules Starlight Compact which seems very similar to your controler been successfully used for this task ?
I can get one for a good price and would like to test it.
Which labeling system did you use ?

73s

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Postby w-u-2-o » Thu Sep 24, 2020 12:01 am

Phil,

I'm not aware of anyone having tried that one, but it sure looks promising.

I used a Brother P-Touch with a combination of white-on-black and black-on-clear tapes. I used leftover black tape to cover original markings that I didn't want to show.

73,

Scott
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Postby FM5GB » Thu Sep 24, 2020 12:28 am

Thank you Scott !

Best 73s Phil
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Postby w9ac » Tue Sep 29, 2020 11:55 pm

I now have a DJConrol Compact controller working with my 7000DLE. Any idea how to activate/deactivate the LED backlighting of the eight translucent pushbuttons when a button is pressed?

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Postby w-u-2-o » Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:33 am

In the Button Down Event field put SSYY7F.

In the Button Up Event field put SSYY00.

Understand that this is not a modeless function. The state of the button lighting only follows MIDI button presses. If you change the setting using the mouse on the normal UI the state of the button lighting will not track those changes. Maybe someday we'll be blessed with a developer interested in adding that functionality.
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Postby w9ac » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:04 am

w-u-2-o wrote:In the Button Down Event field put SSYY7F.

In the Button Up Event field put SSYY00.

Understand that this is not a modeless function. The state of the button lighting only follows MIDI button presses. If you change the setting using the mouse on the normal UI the state of the button lighting will not track those changes. Maybe someday we'll be blessed with a developer interested in adding that functionality.

Scott, that worked like a charm. Thanks. The only remaining issue is that the right large rotary knob I have assigned to VFO B has the same Control ID as the #1 translucent button on the right button bank. They both share Control ID 49 and that's causing a problem. I don't see a way to separate and re-assign one of them, but no doubt I'm missing something in the setup.

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Postby w-u-2-o » Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:37 pm

That's absolutely correct, Paul, you are not making any mistakes.

The DJControl Compact has a very interesting feature that I have not yet exploited, mostly because I'm happy with the buttons I have. On this controller you can actually assign 4 different functions to each of the white buttons, except for right-hand button #1 which, as you pointed out Paul, is limited to 3 functions.

The way you can access the other button modes is to hold the MODE button down and press white button 1, 2, 3 or 4. The indicators over the white buttons will show Loop, FX, Sample or Cue, as appropriate. This works separately for each of the left and right bank of white buttons.

I had thought about making labels split into four quadrants for the white buttons, but ultimately decided I didn't need more functions than I already had.

One way to use this capability would be to have different sets of buttons for SSB, CW, etc. Another possible use would have you setting the right bank into MODE 2 (FX) so you get all four buttons.

Once you get it relatively stable, it would be interesting if you would post a photo of your button assignments, Paul.

73!

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Postby w9ac » Thu Oct 01, 2020 12:00 am

That's awesome, Scott. I moved the default to "FX" for both button banks and it cleared the issue. I do have a P-Touch printer with black-on-clear tape but I may need to purchase a white-on-black cartridge.

I didn't think one of the MIDI controllers would be right for me but I'm enjoying it very much. Apart from the glitches described above, the setup was surprisingly easy.

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Postby N4XD » Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:17 pm

I'm a recent owner of an Anan 7000dle. I wanted to add a midi controller to have some hard controls for the radio. I found and bought one ofthe smaller DJ controllers like the one in the 2nd posting above.

For me there were 2 determining factors; price and number of knobs. The smaller Hercules controller met both these factors. The price was good and the number of knobs is almost enough. I'd have liked one more knob but not willing to pay 2 to 3 times the cost.
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Postby w9ac » Tue Oct 06, 2020 1:23 am

My current setup with the DJControl Compact controller, but subject to change with use. VFO A right wheel, VFO B left. Filter step below left wheel, Tuning step below right wheel. VFO Lock center below each wheel.

As of this posting, the DJControl Compact is USD $59.99 from several on-line vendors.

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Postby w9ac » Tue Oct 06, 2020 1:34 am

Operating position in back of Logitech Bluetooth keyboard. Pay no attention to the IC-7610.

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Postby w9ac » Tue Oct 06, 2020 1:44 am

Widescreen view of the operating position. Adjustable-intensity LED lighting under the riser. Studio mic can be seen above left monitor. Old faithful D104 still used on the desktop. Custom designed ultra hi-fi mic preamps in front of the LP-700 wattmeter.

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Postby w-u-2-o » Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:51 am

Nice job, Paul.
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Postby casey1elqueo » Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:24 am

Was using the DJ Compact which works great and is about $60, but just got the CMD Studio 2a and absolutely love the feel of those wheels, specially the fact that they move the freq faster if you move them faster.... The feel is absolutely amazing. Keeping it for sure. $99 at adorama so very acceptable compared to the DJCompact.

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